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thing perfectly clear. donald trump has my strong endorsem*nt, period. >> let's make the 45th president of the united states the 47th president of the united states. >> democrats remain divided over president biden's candidacy weeks after his debate performance raising concerns in progressive circles over a potential red wave in november. this hour, insight and analysis on all of the news coming out of the rnc, plus an update on the federal investigation into saturday's attempted presidential assassination, including my discussion with house intelligence committee chairman republican mike turner of ohio. ♪♪ good to be with you. i'm katy tur inside the rnc

convention center while andrea is on assignment. in milwaukee, j.d. vance will take the stage to formally accept the nomination as donald trump's running mate. when he makes his pitch to a national audience, the first-term senator will lean into his biography. he will talk about his life from poverty in eastern ohio to yale school, silicon valley and capitol hill, something the campaign sees as a major asset. inside the hall last night, it was a steady diet of red meat rhetoric. trump rearranging his schedule so he could be present as former rivals came to sing his praises. most notably, nikki haley and ron desantis, who fell in line on stage, pledging their allegiance to a man they once publicly skewered. >> i don't have to agree with trump 100% of the time to vote for him.

i haven't always agreed with president trump. but we agree more often than we disagree. we must not only be a unified party, we must also expand our party. >> let's send joe biden back to his basem*nt, and let's send donald trump back to the white house. america cannot afford four more years of a weekend at bernie's presidency. >> today, on capitol hill, the fbi and the secret service will brief lawmakers on saturday's assassination attempt. we are learning more today about a separate threat to donald trump's life, an alleged iranian assassination plot in revenge for the trump-ordered killing of soleimani in 2020. we begin with garrett haake who is just outside the convention hall in milwaukee. garrett, what can we expect

tonight from j.d. vance? >> reporter: you mentioned his biography. the trump campaign understands most americans have not idea what j.d. vance is and they need to introduce him to the country. you will get a heavy dose of his biography today, with an emphasis on the elements that the trump campaign believes will help him most. by that i mean, white men, the core of the base, the people they need to turn out. that's what j.d. vance is on this ticket to do, to be a messenger, a more eloquent messenger or more consistent than trump about trump's record and about what their version of conservatism could do for those voters. i think that's primarily what you will hear from vance tonight. his own policy prescriptions, his own views are suddenly less important than those of donald trump. who he is and what he represents, including his conversion from being a hostile

trump critic to a trump supporters are all things they hope they can lay out and give a pathway to trump's skeptical white men in the rust belt states to come back on board and vote for trump this time around. >> donald trump does love a conversion story. garrett, thank you very much. here with me now is republican congressman mike turner of ohio. congressman, thank you for being here. i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to get to the threat and this news that there is a documented threat from iran against the former president in revenge for the killing of soleimani. what do you know about what the campaign was told? >> i don't know what briefings -- what elements they have had. publicly, it has been previously acknowledged by the administration, the intelligent community, that this is a continuing and existing threat from iran to donald trump and to cabinet members of donald trump as a result of soleimani's killing. it's heightened by the fact that

with the open border, the administration has acknowledge and director wray said we are at a heightened level of the terrorist attack because of people who are now here in the united states. the difficulty of locating them and thwarting their attempts is what really the fbi and department of justice are focused on. it's very difficult. >> the campaign itself, they were alerted that there was threat. do you know they were alerted it was iranian? was donald trump himself -- he has the security clearance -- told of the specifics? as we are reporting, it's not just chatter. this was a specific threat to donald trump's life. >> i know that he would have been aware of the prior threat, that there was a continuing and existing threat. this would have been new information about a specific incident that rises to the level you were describing of needs to take action. obviously, as we saw, the increase in security was completely insufficient if that's what the secret service

thought was a responsible thing to do in pennsylvania. it clearly was not. >> there was an increase in security. still that 20-year-old shooter was able to get on the roof. i know we reported that there's no connection. i want to confirm it with you. is there any connection between the shooter we know of now and this iranian threat? >> i've been briefed and there is no indication at all that there is a connection. they are continuing to data mine his phone, his laptop, other access. >> the mentioned the increased threat environment. is there anything right now you are seeing that gives you concern about the political campaign going forward? politicians have to go out and campaign. they have to talk to voters. they can't do every single event inside a venue. often events are outside by nature of where you go. not everywhere has a big convention hall. are you concerned about the exposure of our two candidates? >> i'm definitely concerned about the level of security, the failures that occurred in pennsylvania were outrageous.

the fact that a 20-year-old was able to get in the position that he was in and to actually shoot donald trump is clearly outrageous. there needs to be an independent review of the security footprint, both the perimeter and manner in which they respond. he should not have been able to get there. he should not have been able to get off the shot. >> how do you feel about the head of the secret service? do you think her answers are enough? >> they have been horrible. to say it's unsafe for agents to actually do their job and protect the president? they are risking their lives. we saw that when president trump was shot. the secret service circle him and put their lives at risk. clearly, there needs to be changes. >> i want to talk about foreign policy. it's a big theme for tonight. j.d. vance will take the stage. how do you feel about donald trump nominating a person who does not believe in funding ukraine? believes ukraine should cede

territory to russia. >> his story will be told of the american dream of coming from an area of poverty into what he has become and the stature he provides as running for vice president. i'm from southwestern ohio, the area he is from. i met him when he was a kid. my family is from appalachia. this rings true for so many people of coming from appalachia and making certain that you can grow and achieve the american dream. on his issues and on foreign policy, i think the only foreign policy positions that matter are donald trump's. donald trump has been very clear in his support. he is the first -- >> but donald trump also thinks that ukraine -- this war should end and he sides more with russia. now two people -- >> that's not true. he doesn't side more with russia. he thinks the war should end. so do i and so should you. he is the first president to give lethal weapons to ukraine, that they used to defend themselves. reversing the prior policies of

the obama administration. the funding that went through the house would not have gone through the house if donald trump had stood against that funding. it would have been very difficult to get it through the house. the aspect of saying this war should end i agree with. this administration has made a number of restrictions on ukraine that are limiting their ability to win and limiting their ability to prevent their citizens from dying. >> i don't want to put you in a hypothetical situation, but this could happen. if they are elected and they come in and they tell ukraine that they need to negotiate a peace with russia that includes them ceding territory, would you agree? >> this is something ukraine needs to decide. i have had this conversation with president zelenskyy. both here in the united states and in kyiv. ultimately, this will be a negotiated settlement. no one knows what the terms are. when he was here at the reagan institute as well as the nato summit, he said i can't give them crimea. they still went to war with us.

russia needs to be placed at risk. they need to understand there's something at risk. with the restrictions the biden administration put on ukraine, russia doesn't have one. president trump will make sure russia feels at risk. >> why does nato feel so concerned? >> i don't think nato is. i know secretary-general stoltenberg. the thing that they understand is that donald trump wants them to live up to their financial commitments, pay the portions for defense spending that they immediate to pay, and then we will be stronger as an alliance. nato is not about a security guarantee from the united states. it's about a military and security alliance. >> you don't think donald trump will pull up? he is not going to weaken that? if russia goes to war are poland or steps foot in france, anywhere in a nato territory, are you confident the united states will stand by our allies and against russia? >> absolutely. when you look at what donald trump did as president, when he left as president, nato was

stronger four years later than when he got there. he increased spending in nato, the forward presence of troops in nato. nato stepped up to the plate. the increased spending that occurred is a result of the challenges that donald trump gave them. nato is stronger because he led. >> you don't -- you never heard any concern among our nato allies about a second donald trump term? >> people are very concerned about the reporting in the news of raising the issue of what will donald trump do with nato. by his policies, by what you have seen before, i think really high confidence that he again will strengthen nato and certainly nato is not at risk. >> i'm out of time. i want to ask one more question. the speaker of the house has called for the head of the secret service to resign. >> there needs to be an immediate independent review of the security platform and footprint that the trump is operating under and president

biden is -- >> a review? >> it needs to -- we need to ensure that we have security for both the president and donald trump. >> congressman mike turner, thank you very much. the head of the house intel committee. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. we are back in 90 seconds live from the rnc with a look at how the former president might be able to get some of his harshest critics to fall in line. you are watching msnbc. maya knows how quality care can bring out a smile. but it's been a few dog years since she was able to enjoy a smile of her own. good thing aspen dental offers affordable, complete care all in one place. with flexible hours and weekend appointments. plus 20% off treatment plans for everyone. loving our patients unconditionally.

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and helping to write new ones. ♪ the very noticeable, very palpable republican party unity is very much counter to what we saw during the primary. ron desantis and nikki haley made appearances last night to endorse their former rival, urging voters to send him back to the white house, when months ago haley said she felt no need to kiss the ring of donald trump. joining me now john kasich and chuck todd. lots of ohio today, governor. we have you. i had mike turner. j.d. vance is going to take the stage later. what's the deal with ohio getting so much love?

>> you know, we're the heart of it all, ohio. it's really interesting to see how these people have been pivotal. i thought mike turner did a good job talking about trump's policies and deflecting criticism. he did pretty well. i was impressed watching him. he did well. >> let's get down to the substance. matt gaetz, the substance. i'm sorry. >> you set up your own punch line. >> there's so much party unity here. you and i have talked about it. there was one moment yesterday when matt gaetz and kevin mccarthy. we just have to play it. it was a fascinating insight into some of the dynamics of the house. let's watch. >> what night are you speaking? are you speaking tonight? if you took that stage, would you get booed off of it. you would get booed off the

stage. >> a little later, our colleagues -- tom llamas interviewed kevin mccarthy who said matt gaetz shouldn't be on the streets. it is another indication that the republican party, as if we needed more, is leaning more toward matt gaetz. >> it's the performative versus not. i did a podcast interview with a retiring member of congress who is 36 years old. he is a republican from kansas. he is walking away because he doesn't want to be the performative. he is trying to be a doer. it was really frustrating. he has little kids. he said some of his colleagues show up on cable tv as proof of life because there's no local media covering him. look at his district. there isn't the local political reporter who is covering, what's our congressman doing. i get something done in

committee that really helps farmers in my district, i don't have anybody to tell. >> in order to get on some cable channels -- >> you have to be the performative one. to me, what was important to matt gaetz? that he gets to speak and be popular. what's not important, whether somebody is high character or whether somebody treats somebody well. the accusations against matt gaetz are serious. they have never been found to be not true. there's another person who has pled guilty to things. >> which is what kevin mccarthy said. >> these are not unserious things. obviously, it's personal to mccarthy and gaetz. mccarthy agreed to the rule that allowed matt gaetz to do this. it got personal. it tells you something more about unfortunately if you are not -- if you don't have the stomach to be matt gaetz or marjorie taylor greene, you will not succeed in the way congress is set up. i wish it were different. i know my pal over there on the

other side of the camera, john kasich, wishes it was different. it really is all showmanship now. there's no reward for being a workhorse. >> i want to ask about that. when we talk about showmanship, what we saw was red meat from the stage to the crowd. kari lake going after the media. you had the vitriol we have come to know from this republican party and not as much of the unity, even though there was some, and the toned down rhetoric they promised in the wake of the shooting on saturday. chris christie has an op-ed in "the new york times" where he questions if donald trump will meet the moment. he writes, early indications are less than promising. mr. trump's selection of j.d. vance as his running mate doubles down on the portion of the party completely devoted to him rather than reaching out to the broader party and beyond. what do you think of that?

>> first of all, chuck is right. in politics today, it's about fame and power. what you do in order to have fame and power is you attack somebody else. you can get away with anything today in politics. the boundaries have largely been removed, which is really tragic. secondly, i think the convention last night -- having all these politicians speak, i mean, that's sort of boring. i don't know why they didn't bring folks in who were out in the field, who could talk about the emotions that they have. let me make one other point. i would be interested in your feeling about this, chuck. the fights between gaetz and mccarthy, that's all personal. there's going to be a point down the road -- not today but down the road where you will see somebody pushing the reagan agenda. we don't believe in high tariffs in this country. we think it's a tax on the american people. we don't like the issue of isolationism. they don't like that. they don't like to have tax cuts

and drive the deficit up. at some point, somebody in the republican party is going to present that old reagan vision of what makes america strong. you are not going to see it here. you are not seeing it now. the people who will be able to communicate that are not on the stage right now. sometimes you want to go to the convention -- figure out what your principles are and articulate them. >> i'm going to ground this back into ohio. i don't know about you, john, but the last time we had this debate in the republican party about essentially this sort of economic isolationism and international was a guy name taft. he lost the argument to a guy named eisenhower. a famous political family. that's what -- i think you are right. this is the question i have, which is, as much as trump and vance are taking the party in

the 1930s direction, where the original tafts of ohio were going, you still have brian kemp, you still have mike pence, you still have bill cassidy out there. you have a lot of these republican governors i don't think believe in this type of tariff. they will turn the dollar store into the $10 store if they go through with donald trump's tariffs. it's going to make the biden inflation complaints pale in comparison. you tell me why the reagan kisch isn't working anymore. why did j.d. vance get traction? >> that was a close election. i think peter teal poured money into vance's campaign. at the end, you had a situation where trump endorsed vance. that was a very close election.

matt dolan is a very viable figure out here. this whole notion that reducing taxes, foreign trade is good as long as it's reciprocal, that we are playing a major role in the world. the party i belonged to all of my life, the party of reagan. but we have seen that fade away. everything is in a cycle in my opinion. you know what? there will be a magnetic figure who will rise and begin to articulate that again. as you know, we come here and the pendulum swings one way. you know it's going to swing the other. who will lead it? that person will be a viable contender for the leader of this party somewhere down the road. >> can they get that messaging out? can they deliver that with charisma? governor kasich, chuck todd, thank you very much. this is a good preview of my conversation at 3:00 p.m. today

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to ukraine. joining me is the host of this program and chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell who is at the aspen security form up and peter baker. andrea, i had mike turner on. he doesn't believe that the u.s. positioning toward ukraine will change under a president trump with a vice president j.d. vance. >> that's not what most nato leaders belief. that's not what ukraine fears. there was already a heightened concern at the nato summit that i was covering last week that this would -- if former president trump is elected again, this would create complications, more pressure for a negotiation for concessions from president zelenskyy. they hoped marco rubio, the ranking member on the senate intelligence committee and has a lot of experience in foreign

policy, would have been the choice. of all the possible choices, the least experienced in both government and foreign policy is j.d. vance, not only inexperienced, but he is an isolationist. he was one of the key votes in the senate against the supplemental for ukraine going up against mitch mcconnell and called out by the republican leader of his own party for being one of the opponents of ukraine aid. he has taken a more strident position than donald trump. donald trump worked with lindsey graham. they came up with a plan. there was delay. that was very damaging to ukraine's efforts during the months -- six-month period. they had to retreat. they lost villages in the northern region. they came up with a plan to use the assets, the interest from russian debt, the frozen debt, $50 billion for reconstruction. they used other money and came

up with a loan -- a forgivable loan plan. donald trump bought into that. j.d. vance did not. >> i asked, does donald trump support ukraine, because his public positioning has leaned more toward russia. congressman turner used that opportunity to talk about donald trump sending more lethal weaponry to ukraine. but peter baker, give me context and just a reality check of what has happened since then. this is the united states congress trying to allocate more money to fund ukraine, but it being held up in the house by maga republicans who didn't believe that the u.s. should be getting involved in it or who might have been a little bit more sympathetic to russia, to vladimir putin. >> yeah. to say there's not a different approach to russia and ukraine by this republican ticket is to ignore history. yes, it's true that president

trump sent javelin missiles to ukraine and president obama failed and refused to do so, absolutely true. what they don't say is the missiles were locked in storage containers in western ukraine and not allowed to be used. let's not give too much credit for that. they didn't make any difference in the battlefield one way or the other. remember, the thing he got impeached for at the time was for holding back aid to ukraine, because he wanted to leverage that aid for his own political benefit to get ukraine to announce some sort of an investigation into his possible challenger, joe biden, and his son hunter biden. there's that to remember. there's j.d. vance's comment when he ran for senate two years ago. i don't really care about ukraine, he said. i don't think there's any reason to believe that changed. you are right that president trump's relationship with vladimir putin remains one of the strongest, as he himself has put it, that he had. he is closer to vladimir putin than he is to zelenskyy.

no question about it. he called the invasion -- he called putin a genius at the time of the invasion, the full-scale invasion in 2022. there's no reason to think that somehow a new administration will be as supportive of ukraine as the outgoing administration, even though a number of republicans wish it were. a number of republicans are in favor of helping ukraine. >> let's turn to the middle east. you are reporting the cia director is not going to make another trip. what's going on there 1234? >> he is not going right now, which tells me that it's not close to a deal that they said and the president said that there was significant progress towards closing a deal on a cease-fire, a six-week cease-fire, release of the women, injured, elderly hostages in a first phase and bridging it to a second, prolonging the cease-fire, hoping to make it permanent that hamas had agreed

finally in recent days that that permanent cease-fire didn't have to be up front. netanyahu has signalled some ambiguity, some ambivalence. he is coming next week. monday he is supposed to meet with the president. wednesday he is giving a speech to a joint meeting of congress. that, as you know, a number of years ago under president obama, vice president biden was significantly an irritant in the relationship because it was hostile to the policy of negotiating a nuclear deal with iran. contrary to white house policy, but the invitation of the white house, netanyahu will finally get the meeting with the president he has wanted since his election which was denied and which was a significant level of friction there. they have patched it up. secretary austin talked to the defense minister just last night overnight about what's happening in the north with hezbollah.

the cia director was quoted -- i'm told accurately -- from an off the record saying that the maas leader is under significant pressure in gaza, partly because of israel, partly because of palestinian anger at him as he is hiding underground and not suffering losses the average gazans are. that's something that we had reported. that's an intelligence assessment. they are no nearer to getting him. they say that they may have gotten the second in command. that has not been established yet. >> that's very interesting reporting regarding sinwar. andrea mitchell, peter baker, thank you very much. new details on the fbi investigation into the assassination attempt that shocked the nation. we are live from the rnc. this is msnbc.

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the fbi and secret service are briefing congress on the failed assassination attempt on donald trump. the secret service director says the buck stops with her. the agency was already on high alert about a separate unrelated threat from iran against the former president. we have been speaking about it here. she insisted local authorities had the job of securing the outer perimeter of the trump rally, including the roof where

the gunman was perched. multiple officials tell nbc news there were warnings about a suspicious person before the would-be assassin opened fire on saturday. butler township manager tom knight spoke to stephanie gosk and described how one of his officers locked eyes with the gunman. >> what did you shooter do? >> turned towards him. had the barrel of his weapon pointed at the officer. >> at that point, the officer is hanging on to the side of the roof? >> yes. >> unable to pull a gun out? >> unable to -- >> unable to defend himself, reach his radio? >> any of that. >> tom winter is tracking the investigation for us. tom, what information are we learning about who dropped the ball on the security front? are we getting any more clarity on whether local police were in the same building that the gunman climbed on to? >> to address what we heard,

something that's been pointed out by law enforcement officials that don't have any involvement in this is that it indicates the shooter here was definitely not interested in anything other than the stage and donald trump, because if he was just interested in killing people, he probably would have started with the police officer. thankfully, he didn't. i think that's an important thing as we try to grasp at any straws to figure out a motive. specific to your question here, according to our colleague julia ainsley, she has reporting that what the secret service said on the record, the head of the secret service, that there were police officers in that building where crooks allegedly was on top of and fired towards the president, in fact, they were not. they were in a different building. that's new information today. something that you and i touched on briefly yesterday, which is this idea because it was a sloped roof, they didn't want to put members of law enforcement up there or sniper teams, that's

something with the tactical experience say is just not the case and just doesn't make sense to them. still more questions. our station in pittsburgh pointed out that after that in stephanie's interview, they pointed out the officer made a call saying he was on the roof with a rifle. what happened after that vis-a-vis the secret service and seeing if they could get donald trump off the stage prior to any round being fired, that's an open question. >> it's surprising he was still speaking, even as people were pointing to a guy on a roof with a gun. you would have imagined they would -- seen by cops. you would have imagined they would get him off stage. tom, thank you very much. how the president is closing ranks as the calls for him to exit the 2024 race, they are not going away. they are coming from within his own party. you are watching msnbc.

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this is a process that the dnc started to engage in months ago when they wanted to put this in this time frame because of some ohio ballot deadlines that are a little separate but became nor relevant when there was this larger conversation about whether democrats were still going to rally around president biden as their nominee. there have been so many questions, and rightfully, there's been focus on whether that would happen in the virtual roll call setting, what they thought would take place without fanfare ahead of the actual convention, which starts august 19th in chicago. now we are understanding, because there has been a little bit of an expression and anxiety from some democrats about what they argued was rushing the process, now the dnc is saying, we are still doing this in the exact time frame we intended. we will do it toward the back end of the time frame, which means they are going to be doing this by august 7. ahead of the actual convention. but that's in line with their

plans. you can't ignore the larger backdrop to all of this, which is that before the assassination attempt on donald trump's life on saturday, the major story we were talking about was this idea that more democrats were perhaps going to come out and call for joe biden to reconsider his candidacy, which he has said emphatically he is not going to do, and that he is in the race. what we are reporting and what we learned over the last week or so is that the president has really started to deliver this message to allies that he is getting a little irritated with the conversation about whether his future is in question or in doubt. he is trying to tell people essentially that his patience is wearing thin. you can see that in his public appearances, in his interviews. he has to say that a little bit more clearly and what seems to be the major question here that he is asking people is why aren't democrats getting the message. so that's another key story line, of course, while you're covering the republicans there

in milwaukee, that's happening back here in d.c. >> reporter: i can tell you, monica, i did a nice walk long and talk with a lot of different voters yesterday from the democratic party, from the republican e party, independents, and i got a lot of people saying they'll vote for joe biden, but they don't want to vote for joe biden. they want to vote for somebody else. it's in line with some new polling that we have out from ap saying that 65% of democrats want him to get out of the race. that lines up with the nbc polling that said 62% of democrats want a new nominee. the reason i think the democrats aren't getting that message is that there are a lot of voters out there who just -- who want somebody else, who think somebody else will be a more energizing person for the party. monica, i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you so much. next, our preview of what to expect here at the rnc this evening with the national spotlight on j.d. vance. you're watching msnbc live from the rnc. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. that's why we're the "think outside the box" store. the "help protect your privacy" store.

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welcome back. vice presidential nominee j.d. vance will be the marquee speaker here at the republican national convention hall tonight. biden harris campaign can calling him a rubber start for trump's agenda. we're also going to hear from former trade adviser peter navarro who's flying right up from prison. he was released today. joining me now "washington post" senior national political correspondent ashley parker and sam stein. we have some breaking news, this is adam schiff who's running for senate in california just saying now to the los angeles times that he wants joe biden to drop out of the race citing, quote, serious concerns that he can win. >> yes, this -- he is articulating what so many democrats, senators, house members, strategists, pollsters, lawmakers and voters, voters who

have been saying this publicly, frankly, for over a year, but what they're all saying privately and now you're getting a drip, drip, drip. schiff is obviously a huge one. it's not quite, say, a nancy pelosi coming out publicly. >> we haven't heard nancy pelosi come out publicly to say enough of the conversation, which also says something, doesn't it? >> and schiff's a very close pelosi ally. this is almost like pelosi coming out and saying you need to go. i was just emailing with a senior democrat, and said the party's never been in a darker place than currently, which is saying a lot. it may be dramatic, it may be in the moment but frankly it doesn't seem like there's a clean resolution possible at this juncture. joe biden is stubbornly sticking in the race. he believes he could still win. frankly, the polling data hasn't moved as much as it could have. he needs the polling data to move in his direction. and now you have all -- skpl he was behind before, the whole point of the debate was he was

losing. >> and i think basically what you have is a fractured house of democrats. there are some members who are saying stick with him, andrea ocasio-cortez has come out in support, and now you have adam schiff on the opposite side. there's no resolution that's going to keep the party intact. obviously this is -- >> how much longer is this conversation going to last? if he stays in the race, does this conversation continue up until the convention, and if it does, how does a candidate come back from that publicly? if you're having half of your party or more say that you shouldn't be running because we're worried about your fitness. we're worried about your ability to campaign, is that a great message to send to the american public? go ahead and vote for this guy, we're not sure about him but you should be? >> the challenge is twofold. the whole way that joe biden wins and this is his campaign's theory, it has to become a referendum on donald trump. the discussion has to be about donald trump. as you point out, when the democratic party, not only are

they not discussing donald trump and making the case against him, but they're sort of making the case against -- not sort of, they are making the case against their own candidate, and one of the reasons they're making the case against their own candidate joe biden is they don't believe he can make the case against donald trump. you look at that debate where trump lied so many times, it would have been very easy for joe biden, a more nimble candidate to have jumped in and say, wait a minute, you didn't encourage your supporters to immediately leave the capitol so peacefully, and joe biden wasn't even capable of doing that. >> the theory of the case if you're biden is you can prove in the interim that you're capable. you get nominated at the convention, although it may be virtual. everyone rallies behind you because they don't want trump and you spend three months making the case. >> what i find so interesting is that the trump campaign has a plan against joe biden, and that's it. if the democrats change their candidates midstream they wouldn't know what to do. >> the republicans who i've

talked to here at the convention are thrilled that in certain ways even the attempted assassination has all kind of paused the conversation with the democrats and what they want is for joe biden to be the nominee because they see a very clear binary between two old guys, one who's kind of strong and survived, now strong and survived a bullet, survived an assassination attempt and one who as they've shown videos here falls up stairs, is weak. >> you've seen they're showing a picture of donald trump standing up with his fist, bloody face after getting shot in the air, and they're showing it against -- >> at the convention. >> joe biden falling down the stargs. it's what they want to campaign on, and now they have the gift to do that. i'm going to have to leave it here because i am out of time. ashley parker, sam stein, thank you guys so much. that's going to do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show on social media @andreamitchellreports. i will be back here at 3:00 p.m. eastern. "chris jansing reports" starts right now.

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